Anna Sale, the host of the WNYC award-winning podcast “Death, Sex, & Money,” wants you to have that conversation. The one that you’ve been avoiding, maybe for years. The one where you’ve thought “they’ll never understand” or “it’s not going to go well, so why even try?”

In Let’s Talk About Hard Things, Sale employs the best of what she’s learned from her podcast to offer an invitation to have those hard conversations and advice for how to have them. Diving into the most fraught conversation topics—death, sex, money, family, and identity—she moves between memoir, snapshots of a variety of people opening up about their lives, and expert opinions to show why having tough conversations is important and how to have them in a thoughtful and generous way. The end goal should be understanding, without the pressure of reconciliation; there are some things that words can’t fix (and that’s okay).

Revealing that listening may be the most important part of a tough conversation, Let’s Talk About Hard Things is a profound meditation on the value of truly communicating and how we all can do it better. Sale will be in conversation with Nadia Bolz-Weber, an ordained Lutheran Pastor, founder of House for All Sinners & Saints, the creator and host of “The Confessional” podcast, and three-time New York Times bestselling author including most recently, Shameless: A Sexual Reformation.

Thanks to the Jewish Community Center of San Francisco for being our promotional partner.